The harsh truth of the world ever since time immemorial is that society hates weak men. It is always the concept of survival of the fittest. For Edward Zia, there is no one else to deal better with this predicament than ourselves. Sitting down with Chris Webb, the international master coach discusses how his eyes were opened to this undeniable truth throughout his complex life. He looks back to his experiences in a prison-like foster care system, being physically bullied as a child, and dealing with PTSD. Chris explains why society will always turn a blind eye to the most struggling people and how to take advantage of that complication to achieve bigger things. He even touches upon the contribution of feminism in shedding light on this topic and acknowledges the huge work still needed to defeat man-haters.

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Society Hates Weak Men, A Controversial Perspective Of Edward Zia

Edward, how are you doing?

It’s great to be here, Chris. Thank you for working your butt off on your great show.

I’m grateful to have you here. I know I’ve been following you for quite some time. I’m envious of your background, let alone where you’re always adding your videos in LinkedIn, especially. It’s great to have you here. I appreciate you coming out. I love talking to you. I know we’ve talked in the past, but I want to dive deeper. Standard normal what we do is we’ll have business conversation or ideas about marketing but you’ve got a beautiful story. I’d like to dive deeper than some of the interviews I’ve heard. They talk back about ten years ago where you were at. Let’s go back further. Where were you born? What did it look like? How did you transition? How’d you get to that one crucial point in your life? What were the emotions you were going through and how did you pull them through?

Up until the age of ten years old, I had a privileged upbringing. I had kid’s parties. I had this computer at the time that was called a Commodore 64. If you had a Commodore 64, you were the cool kid. I used to be the cool kid up until the age of ten. I had a good time. What happened when I turned ten, my mom got sick with terminal cancer, but she survived. She’s around. That’s the upside of the story, but it led to a family breakdown. There was no one to look after me. I was in a foster system. I went through quite a few different places for some years and it was pretty rough.

When you’re a foster kid going to a new school, you’ve got a big target on your back. After a year or two in the foster system, it’s like being in prison. You can beat up anyone like that. You go in a normal kid and you come out crazy, which is what the foster system is good at. It’s like going to prison. It’s the same thing. I reunited with my parents in my late teens, but once I turned nineteen, I went off and joined the army. I ended up reconciling with them later in life, but I told them all to stick it. I moved on and started a new life.

I know I might have told you this in the past. I was looking at doing something with men’s mental health. We come down to that specific transition in our company where we’re looking forward to doing something lighter. Talk to me a little bit about that. I know of a lot of people that have been through the foster program. I’ve never sat down and had the opportunity to talk to them about what it was like mentally as a child. There’s so much that you don’t know what to ask, process and filter. What was that?

A lot of people think I’ve got PTSD in the military. I had PTSD long before I joined the military from fighting all the time and living in that fear. In my last year of high school, I was a cool kid because I had the highest combat skills so I bash up and bully for the fun of it. I became quite popular.

It wasn’t by choice by these people either. They were made to think you were popular.

I was the enforcer. People would say, “Can you go get back Katie’s books?” “I got Katie’s books.” “Where did you put them? I haven’t got them.” I just grabbed him. I used to shake bullies in the name of justice. I got to trouble once because I grabbed one kid. I tried to drag them in a puddle in the oval. It went too far. Parents got called in, but I got off the technicality of the C3 first one. I got out of it. Once you get off on a technicality, then you walk, which is good. I walked from that one.

It gave you a chance to reflect on it and learn from it.

The thing was the schooling system I was at was so poor. There was no therapy. I’m suffering from PTSD. I’ve been fighting for years. The punishment is to put me in time out when I’m on my own. It’s like, “No therapy, no help.” I already had PTSD before I joined the army. The army built on that. A lot of people go through the foster system. Going through prison is the best analogy. I used to be a kind person, but after a few years, you become a hardened thug. I was lucky that I was able to channel it to the right target. I’ve always been a good person. I would never pick on anyone that didn’t have it coming. I’d always target bullies and defend other people. That’s my first taste of justice. Going into military and policing was the natural flow in from that.

When you accept that no one cares about you, it gives you the freedom to take self-responsibility.

As you go through the foster care system and even into the military, they teach you to take these feelings and emotions and they teach you to pack them down, forget them. You get past them, pack them away and throw them.

The military is quite good. I love the military, even though I got injured and almost died. That was my fault, not the military’s. The military did a good job with it. The military gave you a place to talk about it and explore even several years ago. That’s why I still proudly wear my veteran’s cap. The foster system, you don’t get any of that. Even though you’re in normal society, you’re a prisoner. It’s that dynamic. A lot of people have experienced that.

That’s quite a reverse of what we would want and expect for that system.

What was interesting is it’s common. What I’m telling you might be shocking, but it’s common. I’m not here squealing as a victim playing my vibe. This is a common issue. It’s like a prison. Prison reform foster care systems and what they do is the systems are so broken that you take good people and you turn them into hardened thugs. That’s what happens.

That’s interesting, the past that you’ve been through and where you’ve transitioned to. Before we dive into the transformation or at least the guy that learned to stop that freight train per se, tell us what you’re doing now. We’re talking 30,000, maybe 50,000, 100,000 followers on all your platforms combined.

It’s 300,000 plus.

Is that all over the world?

Pretty much. I’m about to hit 85,000 on my LinkedIn, which I’m happy about. My business page is about 115,000. I’m quite big on Google as a Google guide. I’d probably say 250,000, that’s a fair underestimate. Adding all the ecosystems together, it’s 250,000.

Congratulations. People thrive to even get to 10,000, 15,000, 20,000.

Very few people in the world break 10,000 followers. I say this to everyone because I have a lot of clients who joined me and they’re 11,000 followers and they’re all bashful. I’m like, “Stop for a second.” If you cross 10,000, you’re pretty much in the top 1% elite. If you’re an Instagram girl or a YouTuber, crossing 10,000, you’re already in the top 1%. You’re already that elite. The question is, what do you then do with it to help you and help the world.

As MF Consulting or in the show, we’ve taken that to heart. I struggle with mental health and not so much that I have something where I take medication for it. As I reflect on certain aspects of life, I’ve noticed that these repetitive actions are simply because of X. Now, I need to go back and figure that out. We’re trained as men to try to pack it down and not fully express those. To that development, it’s amazing that you say that. I’ve got all these followers and you’re not gloating about it, but you’ve got all these followers and you’re saying, “What can I best suit this with? What can I best do?”

DTTN 4 | Weak Men

Weak Men: When you’re a foster kid going to a new school, it’s like you’ve got a big target on your back.

 

Society hates weak men, all societies. I’m all for women’s empowerment, but even a lot of women in the feminist community, think it’s funny. I know feminists who think it’s funny that men have men’s health issues. It’s awesome because they hate men that much. They’re all feminists, but you got a good chunk of fairness. I feed that. They feed that. Men are privileged anyway, so it’s their problem. They commit suicide. I’ve had people say that to me, saying, “You’re a veteran. You should go kill yourself. We don’t care about you.” A blue checkmark and verified Twitter profiles have said that to me.

Why do people do that?

It goes back to our point. Society hates weak men. I’m not pinning this on feminists. I’m far from it. In fact, I congratulate the feminists. They’re at least telling the truth. They’re telling us what everyone thinks. In our civilization, for tens of thousands of years, the evolution is weak men are bad, strong men are good. When men suffer, the general societal psyche is, “If you jump off a bridge, you were a defect anyway. Be my guest. Why don’t you jump off the bridge and remove yourself as a liability?” I’m not picking on the feminist. The feminists are saying what a lot of people think. One thing I’ll give to feminists is at least they are telling the truth.

At least they’re being fully transparent, honest with themselves, let alone everybody else. As far as men goes, I call it gunpowder syndrome. This is the thing that I manifested as far as description and something to relate to. Gunpowder syndrome is you take gunpowder, spread it across the table and light it. What happens? You, of all people, should know this.

It fizzes out.

It turns to ash. It’s useless. Whereas if you take that gunpowder and you do what we’re supposed to do as men in society and pack that down, what happens if you light it later?

You’re going to go crazy. That’s exactly what happens.

It’s going to glow up and destroy everything around it. That’s gunpowder syndrome at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, everyone hates weak men. Society has for tens of thousands of years. A lot of people try and blame feminists for creating that. I’m on their side. They’re telling the truth. That’s why I like them. I disagree with them, but I respect them because they tell you the truth. Society hates weak men. “Weak women are fine. Weak men can go to sleep on the street and jump off a bridge. It’s okay. We don’t need you anyways. Enough playing around.” That’s what everyone thinks.

What you find that a lot of these men are powerful and forward-moving, at the end of the day, they are expressing their feelings. They’re working through their issues. They’re consistently transparent. Some of them even see counselors consistently and they have to.

My view of this one is and this feeds into the key point that I’m making is men need to grow up. I’m going to disagree with your message slightly. Men, no one cares about you and no one’s going to help you. I say that positively because when you accept no one cares, it gives you the freedom to take self-responsibility. When you accept that no one cares about you, it’s quite a positive experience because “No one cares about me. Why don’t I kill myself? Let’s go on a holiday. Let’s do some fun stuff. Everyone hates me anyway. Let’s have a good time.” My message to everyone reading is, as men, no one’s going to help you. Everyone hates you if you’re weak. You got to take self-responsibility. No one’s going to help you, everyone hates you for being weak. Remember that. It’s been going on for tens of thousands of years. It’s not going to change anytime soon.

A strong man can raise his hand, admit that he has a problem, and ask for help.

I completely agree with owning who you are. That all has to do with your expectations. If I put something and if I give you something, Edward, in normal terminology, you’re expecting something in return. Somebody else is expecting something in return. Whereas if I’m expressing myself and these guys are expressing themselves to get something in return such as pity, somebody coming at them and feeling sorry for themselves. At the end of the day, that’s their fault. They’re not reflecting on themselves for their own reasons. They’re not moving forward for their own reasons. They’re not moving forward to say it because they need to get it out. They’re moving forward because they want somebody to come at them and say, “I’m sorry for that. Sorry you had to go through that.”

I remember I had this bad experience. It was a client some years ago. He was probably mentally ill with something, but it was undiagnosed. We lived nearby in the part of Sydney. We’re in Western Sydney in Parramatta, which is a nice city. I live in the sunny version of Brooklyn, New York. Take Brooklyn, New York and make it a bit like Florida. That’s where I live. This guy, out of nowhere, sent me this long abusive email. I saw him on the street. I had a sweater and it got stuck into him. He then apologized. He tried to make out that everything was fine after that. It’s a video. It’s on LinkedIn. It was this Indian mom and her daughter. They got a bit of paper and scrunched it up and they’re saying, “This is what happens when you insult someone. When you flatten it out, even though you’ve apologized, it’s still affected.” The point I’m making is that in this guy’s case, I told him to seek professional help. He’s Christian. I told him to go to a church and see a priest. He didn’t do it.

That annoys me because he’s being a weak man. He’s not taking self-responsibility. No one’s going to help you and cares about you. You have to get off your butt and say, “I’ve got a problem.” If you’re a Muslim, I got a lot of Muslim friends, go to your local mosque and say, “I need some help.” If you’re Christian, go to your church. If you’re Hindi, go to your temple. If you’re a Jew, go to your synagogue. You got to get up and take action. Men don’t that. Men wait for someone to save them. Everyone hates you.

Our whole philosophy and this goes with that design before we jump onto these next questions is to get in front of that conversation in your head. We have those conversations in our head about starting to blame other people, but ultimately, it’s us. It’s our expectations or where we’ve laid those roads to come to that conclusion. We need to reflect on ourselves and go in and address that.

A strong man can put up his hand and say, “I’ve got a problem. I need some help.” A weak man will pretend it’s not there and then go crazy, as you said with the gunpowder compression example. A real man will get up and say, “I’ve got a problem. I need to get some help on this issue.” If it’s a physical injury, a mental injury, a real man will put up their hand. That’s my message to anyone reading. Everyone hates you, remember that. Society hates you because you’re weak. Put up your hand during something bad to get some help. For example, everyone used to hate me several years ago. I was a weak man several years ago. I’ll admit it. Everyone hates me because it goes back to my original point, society hates weak men. They hate you. They despise you. I’m going to take my hat off to the feminists. Thank you for telling the truth. Thank you, someone’s telling the truth around here. Ironically, it’s them that are telling the truth.

We could go deeper into that based on some of the stuff that we understand, but at the same time for the sake of the readers, I do want to pull this back. I appreciate the conversation in that because it’s valuable. We are going to go that route as far as MF goes. We’ve come up with a new slogan. It’s called MF squared, which, unfortunately, for the Christians out there, might be offensive. Some people don’t like curse words. We’ve come up with MF men’s feelings. For the sake of whoever followers you have, I don’t want to offend them, but it’s pretty much for the context.

I’m impressed. That’s hilarious.

It’s masculinity. We’re masculine. We have aggression, but it also is vulnerable to the words, terms and men’s feelings. Men will say that. They’re like, “Men’s feelings. What are you talking about? That shows that I’m weak.” It doesn’t. It shows that you’re weak, that you’re not willing to say it because of who you are and you’re trying to pose like somebody else.

Hiding something is weakness, putting up your hand saying, “I suffer from depression. I suffer from ADHD. I’ve got PTSD.” That’s strength. That’s my message to anyone reading, is please don’t take what I’m saying as a black pill. I mean my message completely as a white pill. Put up your hand, get some help. I’m a master coach, but I’m not a psychologist and I don’t pretend to be. What I say to a lot of people is a great place to start is by kicking all the toxic people out of your life. If there are people in your life that are toxic, get rid of them. If you can delete and block them, if you can’t, minimize your exposure to them. Treat them like they’re radioactive.

It’s something to live by. That’s for sure.

DTTN 4 | Weak Men

Weak Men: The foster care system is so broken. It takes good people and turns them into hardened thugs.

 

Defend your rights and interests because everyone hates you. That logic allows you to defend your rights personally because everyone hates you. No one is supporting you, which means you have to defend yourself.

Completely be transparent and go forward with no regrets.

Get help, defend yourself and defend your rights. Everyone hates you. Go about it in your unique way.

In turn, you learn to love yourself and that’s the most important. That’s where you get your strength from is truly loving yourself. You’re not looking forward to anybody else.

That’s the point. You’re a smart guy. You know exactly the logic I’m walking through because when you don’t care about anyone else, it gives you the space to love yourself and do whatever you want and need to do.

To dig even deeper for the sake of discussing it, once you love yourself, you’re the best person you can be for the ones that you truly care about.

That’s exactly what I’m trying to do. I’ve been on self-love, lift my game journey. I went from a minor reboot. This is not Lassie’s fault. Lassie was a bit unhappy with me for a while because I wasn’t playing my best game, but I up my game. She’s happy because women love strong men. Other men hate weak men. Everyone hates weak men. It’s been like this for tens of thousands of years as civilization is built on strength and power.

Edward, you’ve got a lot of philosophy and thought. You’ve thought a lot of things out. What in the world and how in the world did you get to 200,000 plus followers?

Firstly, the way I got there is because of the awesome people watching or supporting me. If you’re one of our fans reading, I want to you that you’re awesome and thank you. It’s because of me sharing helpful ideas and the great fans around the world being receptive to those ideas. I know people got a million followers. I’m happy with my followers because it’s not the number that bothers me or that I’m worried about. I’ve got great followers. I love my followers so much because they’re wonderful people. I get inundated daily by messages from people I don’t know. They’re saying, “I watched one of your videos. It helped me stop this.” I’ve had a lot of people, men, in particular, saying they were considering suicide. One, in particular, was watching my videos every day and that turned them away from suicide. Some cool guy from Florida. I don’t know. We’re still not connected. He sent me this random message. He said, “I don’t want to connect. I want to keep it private. I want to let you know, I watch your videos every day.”

That’s that right there is worth all the time put in.

Whoever it is, what a great guy for coming out and saying that. That’s real strength. If some of you men and women too, if you’re considering suicide and my videos are helping you, don’t do it. Suicide is illogical. Why would I jump off a bridge? I’d much rather throw my enemies off a bridge. What I mean by that is to push back on people that are oppressing you. Walking away is the best way of pushing back.

Push back on the people who are oppressing you.

I know a couple of people who have been on the verge of suicide. One of the things that you hear that is powerful is how they get a new trajectory. They reached back, stop and they go, “I need to come up with a new focus, a new perspective on life.” That’s where you get motivation, are you simply stop. As you reflect on who you are, you own what you’ve made and what your decisions are like, “This isn’t anybody’s fault on my own. Society hates me, but I don’t hate myself. Why would I kill myself?”

Even though I said society hates me, within that society, there is a mixture of people that hate you and a mixture of people that love you. You’ve got to focus on the people that love you. You got to make sure you’re not part of the problem as well. You got to make sure you’re not the problem. For example, we had a problem with one of the people that we know who is accusing everyone of bullying, whereas they’re the bully. The term is called cry bully. The bully bullies everyone then makes out they are being bullied as the political manipulation.

After a few months, it’s like, “You’re the bully. You’re the one who’s starting stuff. When I pushed back on you, you make out that you’re the victim.” I’ve had toxic behaviors. I’ve done toxic things. I’ve done bad things to good people, for which I regret and apologize every day. Call out your bad behaviors. If you’re doing the wrong thing, I’m not here to punish you. I invite you to stop and think about what you’re doing. Stop and think about where this is going to take you.

There’s a transition that was a pivotal moment that you came out of the military. Did you go on to bucks and glory and Sydney, Australia was embracing you? Talk to me about that.

As a caveat, I’m a veteran. I love the government. I didn’t blame them for anything. This stuff happens. I got injured badly on a drug operation. I almost died. I was out for a long time. I was on the edge of living for weeks. It wasn’t an air force hospital when I came to, I had trouble even putting a sentence together for a while. It was a lot of panic attacks. It was hard. I was lucky though. After that 6, 12 months, I got a good job with a military supply. Even though I was traumatized, I was liked by a lot of people because I had a lot of connections. I’ve always been a good networker even those days. I am getting a good job for a wonderful military supply called Henkel, a big German company. Things went dark in my late twenties, but I had a few absolute golden years, which I’m grateful for.

What happened after that?

What happened was my PTSD started haunting me. You see this a lot in Vietnam veterans, for example, if the PTSD hits you 5 or 10 years later. Even though I was making my company a lot of money and I was at that point a Marketing Director for a famous casino. I made them a lot of money, but after 1.5 years, I couldn’t work anymore. I was too sick. I was getting panic attacks once an hour. What I did was I did my job well. I hid it from my employer. I resigned after 1.5 years after making a lot of money. I left positively. Things went dark for me. I ended up running out of money and I was living in my car. I made the big trip to Sydney to start again.

What was it like living in your car when you came to that cognitive reflection of, “I was here, now I’m here, how do I get at least somewhere back to that point?” What is your thought process?

The first few weeks were strange, but there was this odd sense of freedom that came from it. I was like, “Yes, I was a homeless veteran but living in a car is like homeless light.” It was incredible. It gave me a real chance to think about my life and restart my life. I decided, at the time, I want to become some kind of global coach. Even in the depths of my homelessness, I said, “I don’t want to go back to what I was. I want to start a whole new life and one step every day.”

It’s like everything else in life. We take one step at a time. We can have goals and projections or where we want to be as long as we’re putting one foot in front of the other.

I had a few ups and downs in that process, but overall, I’m winning. Managing the downs and working your way out of them is what makes you savvy and brilliant. People who’ve had lots of downs and have successfully come out of it, makes you a savvy master coach. That’s why I’m such a good master coach, is because people can rarely throw something up. I have funny conversations. Sometimes people call me up and they start whingeing about stuff with their negativity. It’s like, “You lost your job. I was living in my car.”

DTTN 4 | Weak Men

Weak Men: Everyone hates weakness. People want strength because it has been like this with tens of thousands of civilizations built on strength and power.

 

“You had such a rough childhood. I was in foster care and then went into the military.”

“I got beaten up when I was eleven and I was unconscious at school.”

“What were you saying?”

When people whinge to me, I tell them the worst story of what I’ve been through and they go, “I’m going to let it go. I’m listening. What have you got for me?” I’m not insulting anyone’s experiences but what I’m simply saying is I know people who’ve had it worse than me and people who had it better than me. All I’m simply saying is the point is to let go of your story. If you’re playing the story in your head that you’re a victim and daddy did this to you, you’re going to become a professional loser. If you take it in a positive and say, “What am I going to do with my life to help others?” You’re going to become like an Elon Musk character. Anyone reading, I invite you to take your negative experiences and get the positive message out of them.

That’s impactful to think about that in that aspect. I listened to your story. It’s a personal story. It can help a lot of people personally out, but also some businesspeople that are reading might go, “What am I supposed to get out of this?” There’s so much to get about it.

Most of my clients are businesspeople. Businesspeople usually have had some of the biggest traumas in life.

Especially entrepreneurs. We’re always trying to find our happiness.

A lot of people wind up entrepreneurs because they can’t hold down a job for whatever reason. In Australia, entrepreneurs over 40% have a mental illness. The reason why they become entrepreneurs is because they can’t last in the workplace. You can’t hold down a job so you’re going to have to create your job. In that way, you can manage your mental illness.

I have been in careers where I’ve been let go. Several years ago, I had every excuse in the world, but as I dug into it, I’m like, “I led that guy to do that. It was my bad. I did this. I could have done this and kept my head down and gone forward.” At the end of the day, to be completely transparent, I’m glad I did it. I’m glad that it pushed me to this point. I’m glad that I’m here.

Look how successful you are now. As Steve Jobs said, “My goal is to make a dent in the universe.” You and I, as employees, that would never have happened. Only as entrepreneurs I feel like I’m making a dent in the universe. Not as big as Steve Jobs, but I’m making a reasonable dent in the universe.

You’re making a pretty good footprint out there.

There is always a mixture of people that hate and love you. Focus on those that genuinely love you.

Thank Jesus for that. I’m honored to be making a dent in the universe. Back to you, my point being is, Chris, look how successful you are and look at how you’re changing lives. You’re kicking butt.

It isn’t me, my friend. All I’m doing is bringing the people to the table. That’s all.

The way you’ve managed your experiences has turned you into a powerhouse man of inspiration. We need more people like you in the world, Chris.

I appreciate that. You’re always a positive speaker. When I received my LinkedIn messages from you, it’s always, “Good morning, wonderful Chris. Good morning, my friend.” There’s always a positive intro. I’m grateful for that. It starts the recalibration no matter where you’re at. If you’re having a challenging day, getting those messages or watching your video. At the end of it, you’re going, “I’m in.”

Whenever people give me a hard time, I always push back. If I don’t know them, I’ll block them because I’ll name them as toxic. If I know them for a while, they’ll stop wearing themselves out on me. If I’m running around being positive, trying to help people which I am, and people don’t like that, that’s their problem, not mine. I’m not going to take their BS. I don’t like people that cause me problems.

That stems from your day and age when you were in the foster care system when people couldn’t handle your problems, you handled your problems.

I give respect to people who disrespect me. It’s going to be a problem. As simple as that. Give respect, but don’t let anyone disrespect you. Don’t take any disrespect.

Have your boundaries put in place and make sure that they’re clear and concise.

Please make sure you’re not the problem. Make sure you’re not the one with the behavior. It’s like this person I was talking about. They’re running around bullying everyone, claiming they are the victim. They eventually went far enough. We had enough of a case to push back on them so that they know, “You’re done. We know what’s going on here.”

As long as we’re reflecting and we let more people into this conversation, you don’t always know if you’re the problem. Be willing to hear other people around you. Don’t just simply listen let it go in one ear and out the other, but truly hear them and understand what they’re saying. You don’t have to take it to heart. Dissect yourself.

If they’re wrong, you can push back and say they’re wrong. If they correct, you can become a better person. At the end of the day, I’ve got toxic behaviors. I don’t like them. Someone pushes back saying, “That’s a little bit toxic. That’s a little bit dark.” I’m still going to go, “That was a bit dark. Maybe I shouldn’t have a cup of tea and watch some shows and don’t put on The Sopranos.” Maybe I should do that.

DTTN 4 | Weak Men

Weak Men: Treat everyone with respect, but don’t let anyone disrespect you.

 

You’re Guido. We’ll call you Guido from now on. Not Edward, it’s Guido.

Even though I’m Persian, I grew up with Italians and everyone thinks I’m Italian. Whilst I come from a Persian Middle Eastern background, I grew up with Italians. I went up more Italian than Middle Eastern for my upbringing.

You’re always a blessing to follow. I appreciate you talking a lot about mental health. It wasn’t the whole design for the show. All I wanted to do was getting a good conversation with you and let it go where it goes. We’re taking a spearhead into this mental health thing. We hope that it makes an impact. We’re going to start selling some apparel. The simple cost to manufacture the apparel is what we’ll pay for. Literally, there are no document fees. There’s nothing above that.

This MF2 movement is in hopes to take the proceeds and profits and give back to the actual men’s mental health awareness and start to flex in that area. You said, “Society hates you. It’s probably not going to change.” You also said something about Steve Jobs. His goal is to make a dent in the world. If nobody makes a movement and nobody tries to push, nobody tries to make that dent, it’s never going to happen. You would be right in that context. We’re going to change that and we’re going to do the best we can with the biggest platforms that we can grab ahold of and see if we can make a movement to help people redirect their thoughts.

Power to you. Hats off to you for doing that, Chris.

This is the logo that we’ll be doing. The two is green, which is the color of men’s mental health awareness. It’s MF two. It stands for Motherfucking Men’s Feelings. That’s literally what it stands for. It’s a flex and it’s a hard push. The reason for the first context is to simply cut through the noise in people’s heads, get their attention. The second context is specifically to what the design is. I’m hoping it will make an impact around the world.

I’m with you. It’s tragic that society has forsaken us. I say this with sadness, society doesn’t care about you or me, so we’ve got to take care of ourselves. I love what you’re doing. You’re dealing with a problem that few people deal with. No one cares about us. Men are doing suicides. They’re all getting locked up in prison. Everyone thinks it’s funny and awesome. “They’re privileged anyway. Jump off a bridge. You spent longer in jail. You’re privileged anyways, so it doesn’t matter.” Thank you, society. It’s time for us to push back against that toxic thinking in our civilization.

Edward, before we end up here, I have one big broad bird’s eye view question for you. In all of your life and your transition, you’ve done well. Your following’s massive and people consistently keep following you, which is a huge thing. Attrition is a normal thing in life where if you counteract that, you have come in and you consistently grow. It’s from driven people. People consistently want to look at you and hear what you have to say. What would you say if I asked for your slogan for life? What would you people advice in general?

A good slogan for life is and I say this a lot, “Take little baby steps every day.” If you take a little baby step every day in the direction of what you’re trying to do, a few years later, you’re going to be pretty powerful.

I’m very grateful, Edward. It is a blessing to be able to follow you. It’s a blessing to be able to talk to you in the many times that we’ve talked before, but here, because I don’t think we’ve had an opportunity to take an hour or so to talk. I appreciate that.

Thank you for chasing me up and making it happen. To all my wonderful fans around the world, please follow and connect with Chris Webb and support his content. The man’s got great ideas about empowerment. I don’t see this as men or women’s empowerment. I see this as empowerment because the more you help women and men, it’s more likely you help both people.

Take your negative experiences and get the positive message out of them.

I appreciate that very much.

I know you’re focusing on men, but at the end of the day, focusing on men helps women as well. I see it broadly from that viewpoint.

I appreciate that. I take a look at that and I see what you’re saying. That makes complete sense.

This is what I try and explain to a lot of the angry feminists and they won’t hear it. If you help men get healthier and better, they’re going to treat women with more respect. They don’t want to hear that logic. They’re like, “Jump off a bridge. You suck it. We hate you.” That was the answer I get. The more we help men is the better women are going to get treated. The Australian government, they’ve got this good ad on TV where they have a boy and a girl fighting, two kids fighting. What happened was the parents let it happen. The parents let it go. It shows the progression through life. It showed this little boy pushing over his sister to then him beating his wife twenty years later. Whereas if someone came in and said, “Stop it, kid. You can’t do that.” I can’t say this enough but by helping men more, you’re making life better for women. A lot of women are against men’s health. Please understand this argument. The more we get better is, the more we look after you. I can’t stress that enough to my critics who might be reading.

The stronger we all are, the better society is going to be in general.

Likewise, the more that women work on themselves is the more that they can create the space for men to get better. This is the thing. It’s helping one gender rise through the tide. I can’t stress that enough. I wish the men-hating feminists would accept that. I get through to it. I tried for several years and they still hate me.

Something’s working. If you don’t have a lot of people hating you, then you’re not doing something right.

The good news is 90% plus of women don’t think that they’re all awesome. It’s that 10% that are like, “Men are evil. You suck, Ed. You’re privileged.” I was unconscious in the school yard at eleven raking a privilege and we are covered in blood. Thank you, guys.

I appreciate the context. Your transparency is phenomenal. It always has been. Edward, thank you so much. You have been a great guest. I can’t thank you enough. This has been a joy. I’ve laughed more on this show that I have at any other ones.

I’ll probably wear my red shirt because I’m in a red pill mood. I was going to drop red pills on my audience.

I normally have a suit on. I told my wife, I’m like, “I’m not doing the suit anymore.”

DTTN 4 | Weak Men

Weak Men: If you take a baby step every day in the direction of what you’re trying to do, the yield will be powerful years later.

 

Don’t wear a suit for what you’re trying to do. That’ll push people away.

I love wearing a suit. Don’t get me wrong. I love three-piece suits. I love two-piece piece suits. I love suits. I always have. I feel comfortable in them. At the same time, it becomes more real. Even when I’m talking to people that wear suits, it becomes more real to say, “We all run and put our pants on the same. We’ve all got internal issues. We’ve all got great growth and success within us.” Let’s look at it in a different way. Is success money? Is success health? Is success life? What are we looking at?

I’m all for suits. If you’ve got to do something political, please wear a suit. Ultimately, if you’re trying to build a bridge with someone, a suit creates distance. That’s one of the reasons why I wear short sleeves. It’s quite intentional. I’ve proven that short sleeves build more trust. When I’m talking to people, I’m usually wearing a polo with my full arms exposed. It helps you build trust. I’ve proven that. The more clothes you wear and the more formal you go, some more distance you create. One of my friends, Annette Parker, is a full-on qualified master counselor. She says, “Wearing a suit is the dumbest thing you can do if you’re trying to help someone.”

That makes sense. It’s intimidating.

You don’t want to intimidate the target. You want to make friends with the target so you can help them. Your outfit is incredible.

Thank you. You look great as well. I’m all for the red pill. Let’s go for it.

It’s a great interview, Chris. It’s been an honor.

I appreciate it, Edward. I know you got stuff to do. I’m grateful, sir.

I love your work. Thank you.

Thank you. I love your work too. See you. Have a good one.

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About Edward Zia

DTTN 4 | Weak MenEd’s a Marketing Mentor Certified Practising Marketer (CPM) & International Master Coach and has mentored thousands of winners globally to help them get more clients, win top positions and become leading personal brands. As Master Grade Coach, Edward has exceeded the threshold of 10,000+ Personal Coaching Hours making him a leader in his field. He’s helped individuals generate millions and millions of dollars and loves it so much.

Prior to Edward starting his own company Excellence Above Coaching; he started his working career in the Australian Army as a Combat Engineer. He was grateful to be invited to work in the Federal Government on special projects in Drug Enforcement, fighting Organised Crime and Anti-Terrorism.

Edward has lived many lives with incredible ups and downs from being at the bottom of society and doing it tough; walking the mean streets finding out information to protect the public, right through to managing teams of elite professionals and helping thousands build bigger businesses.

Today Edward works with his clients and works directly with key organisations such as Microsoft, Teachable, Meetup, LinkedIn, Business Australia, the Australian Government and more to get the latest knowledge and support great people. Edward is also a proud Christian & Templar, working behind the scenes in various charities and political change to do his small part in fighting for justice and helping the world become a better place.

He also has become one of Sydney’s Top Google Guides and has a side passion for finding 5 star businesses and venues and presenting them to the world.

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